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  • omar
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    What's do you think is wrong with China? IMO it's not the government

    It pains me to even think about it for I have never been a supporter of any government back home or elsewhere, I have always defended the idea that people don't need a strong hand to guide them. But force is to admit that most of problems in China (and a plethora of problems there are) are not to be blamed on the CCP, at least not the highest instances and central organs or the Party in Beijing, local governments are a different story.

     

    The multitude of problems in China come from the beliefs and behaviors of its people, a people that with all their traditions of wisdom behave today in the most atrocious, inhumane and despicable ways toward each others.

     

    Chinese are not ready to fly on their own as individuals, most are still greedy peasants who need to be guided by a strong hand, was it the CCP or another leadership, a political, religious or imperial entity. And Chinese are certainly not ready for democracy. Imagine the chaos if every Hunan farmers (or other provinces) were granted the right to vote, and were allowed to protest or to go on strike.

     

    Chinese need to be educated, to be prepared before gaining access to more freedom. Ever wondered why when you subscribe to satellite TV in coastal provinces most packages include CNN or the BBC, but not in most inner provinces? Simply because people tend to be more educated in those coastal provinces, they are allowed to see the rest of the world as it really is since the government knows that they won't go on strike thinking that the grass is greener in other countries.

     

    The CCP is what it is, but it united China and without its strong hand this country would likely be much worse.

    3 years agoin General-Hangzhou
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  • badhwar
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    A government is a reflection of the people that it governs to a significant extent. When the difference between the two becomes too great, the government will inevitably fall. Considering who it has to govern, the party is actually doing a decent job. Does anyone seriously think democracy could thrive in mainland China? That would require people taking responsibility for their lives and having a sense of civic duty. When you have a group of people that is largely incapable of thinking independently and blindly follows tradition, democracy cannot flourish. Where will the sheep turn without their shepherd? Chaos. Democracy requires an educated population with a sense of responsibility to the society. Democracy requires a belief in equality (one person, one vote) and no, I'm not claiming that all democracies honor that principle but at least people believe in it to an extent. Above all else democracy requires people who actually want to have democracy. No, I feel better with the party keeping the sheep in line.

    Mariam:

    I think the big counter-argument to your point is, is the dog wagging the tail or is the tail wagging the dog? I could say that the Chinese people were duped by their government and were led into a system that caused their future generations to be ignorant. That they were bred this way and are not the products of their own free will. I think that, given a clear mind and functioning brain, most people want to take responsibility of their own destiny. So which came first, the chicken or the egg?
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  • tian
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    I disagree for the following reasons:

    And who is doing their best to keep the Chinese population dumb and misinformed? This makes it easy for the CCP to focus the Chinese mind on external received "enemies" be it Japan, USA, South Korea or whoever instead of focusing on the real, internal problems like education and misinformation. Yes, it's true China consisted of uneducated greedy peasants in the 1920's and 1930's, but it's all the CCP and Mao's fault for keeping the population at that stage for so long. Not only that, but also exterminating any dissidents (i.e educated people) who could have posed a threat. Today, with an uneducated and misinformed population it's easy to play on peoples most basic instincts (to get rich is glorious!). So the greed and short sightedness you see in China is just made worse by the so called "agreement" where the government allows you to get rich of you don't rock the political boat.

    3 years ago
  • fesan
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    Yeah, Agreed... If it wasn't for the party this place would have been a real mess.

    Why?

    Well, try naming one country with a massive population and it still developed as well as China did? and No I don't think China has grown because of it's big population, take any 100 people around you and look at them for few days and then decide how many of them are really cunning and smart enough or even hardworking? I am sure the answer will be less than 15%... others are just sheep in the herd, only to follow orders...

    I will say this again, try not to compare China with west as if yet, compare it with other developing country, It still managed to do extremely well.

    3 years ago
  • sarsout
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    I believe it is the fault of the CCP in one major area, education. The behaviours we see in this society have always been there but when Mao decided it was going to be a good idea to get rid of the educated classes and to let loose the red guard he did more damage to the country than he could imagine. Education is the one thing that can pull China up to the standard of a first world country, can you imagine where China would be if Mao had pushed a policy of education for all to the highest achievable level. The differences we would see now some fifty odd years down the road would be striking. It didn't happen that way of course Mao wanted power and the only way to get it was to appeal to the peasant masses. Once he got it the last thing he wanted was a population educated enough to see through the fraud he perpetuated. The CCP have carried on this policy of non-education for pretty much the same reasons. Yes the Chinese we see lack empathy, morals, politeness and behave in ways that we deem to be unacceptable, but when we look at the history of our own countries we have all seen similar situations. How do you change people, you educate them to enable them to see the advantages of modifying their behaviour. So yes I do blame the government for their short sightedness.

    3 years ago
  • unber
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    My personal opinion on the relationship between the Chinese people and the CCP? They deserve each other. A sociopathic, corrupt, arrogant government for a sociopathic, corrupt, and arrogant populace. The Koreans have democratically achieved the same thing (yes, I mean the ones south of the 38th parallel). most of the time when Chinese
    3 years ago
  • christina
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    Yeah, Agreed... If it wasn't for the party this place would have been a real mess.

    Why?

    Well, try naming one country with a massive population and it still developed as well as China did? and No I don't think China has grown because of it's big population, take any 100 people around you and look at them for few days and then decide how many of them are really cunning and smart enough or even hardworking? I am sure the answer will be less than 15%... others are just sheep in the herd, only to follow orders...

    I will say this again, try not to compare China with west as if yet, compare it with other developing country, It still managed to do extremely well.

    3 years ago
  • saguid
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    1) CCP says "we have to be a strong hand for our people, as they can't guide themselves on their own". And with a strong hand they guide them, freeing people from being responsible of their own lives, responsibilities and choices.

    2) People thinks "a strong hand guides me. Responsibilities are annoying, so ma fan... Why should I care of consequences ? If I want I take, if I want I do no wait, if I want I do not think of anything else. Strong hand will make things run around, not me."

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    5000 years ?

    liberty:

    Compass as instrument for orientation has not been invented by Chinese. They just discovered that needles fall oriented with the Earth magnetic field.
    3 years ago

    dansey:

    For the famous "5000 years", yeah, I know. The oldest remains of "cities" (by our modern standard, a small town), are about 5000 years old for Eastern Asia (Luoyang). By the same standard of historical continuity, then East Africa, Middle East (Aleppo) and Europe (Argos, Athens) can makes similar or better claims (because it's a pissing contest, obviously).
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  • hassan
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    Once upon a time, China was a vibrant, open, creative civilization and the greatest nation of it's time. I'm speaking specifically of Tang Dynasty China, but other periods have approached it's greatness. These modern Chinese are the remnants of those people, so let's not downgrade Chinese people's moral and intellectual capabilities. And then the great "National Shame" came by the hand of foreign powers, starting at the end of the Qing Dynasty. This is where the huge problems started in my opinion. Never underestimate the power of face. Chinese psyche has never recovered from the Opium Wars.

    I also see the modern day problem with China as education. The CCP's brand of educating is self-serving, designed specifically to keep them in power. To those who say the Chinese deserve this, I say no country's peoples deserve this.

    maurice:

    There's a quote from the philosopher Joseph de Maistre saying "Every nation gets the government it deserves".
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